- RTE News: GPO Dublin 3 July 2011: Launch Irish Soldiers Campaign (WW2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmXSAe90kA
- Northern Ireland Assembly: Michael Copeland MLA: Speaks on a Pardon For Irish World War 2 Veterans: 23 January 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gaYvuxhpzw
- Pardon For The Disowned Army – BBC Radio 4 – August 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBS0mM-tryA&feature=youtu.be
- BBC One Show – 28 August 2012 – Britain’s Irish Soldiers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHLBfy04Vw&feature=youtu.be
- NDR Fernsehen Hamburg: The Long Road To Rehabilitation: November 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBNIgo6kHQ&feature=youtu.be
- British Forces TV: Pardon for Irish Troops Dubbed Deserters 07.05.13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJeZ1I-Vc40
- TV News Compilation – 7 May 2013: Announcement of Amnesty and Immunity Legislation re Irish Defence Force Personnel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBttXQETqIA&feature=youtu.be
- BBC News-Europe: May 2013: WWII Irish ‘deserters’ finally get pardons
- CBS TV: Forgotten Irish Soldiers – 24 May 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cspyo4Zju-U
- RTE News: Saturday 15 June 2013: Conclusion of the Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign (WW2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A4azvahxpw&feature=youtu.be
- What was the Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign?
- The Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign (WW2) was a campaign effort put together to obtain some form of redress for servicemen who allegedly deserted the Irish Defence forces during world war two to fight against the Nazis and Japanese, and whom in August 1945 were dismissed en masse and in absentia by the Irish government pursuant to Emergency Powers Order (No 362) 1945, which included dismissing those who had already been killed in action.
- What was your involvement in the Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign?
- I initiated the campaign in May 2011 and managed the campaign effort as a team project from the outset until its conclusion in June 2013.
- Why did you initiate the Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign?
- It was the right thing to do. The cordial response from the Irish public to the Queens visit to Ireland in May 2011, suggested that there would be a chance of success to seek redress from the Irish government for these blacklisted soldiers and their families. There was a legacy of hurt within family history which was still extant and needed to be resolved. One had previous experience organising a campaign for pardons for executed Irish born British world war one soldiers and was confident that the current Irish Government (Fine Gael/Labour coalition) would be open to resolving historical and sensitive issues within the context of the ongoing peace process.
- How did you participate?
- Made the submission, funded the project throughout, designed the website, the leaflets, constructed the legal arguments and organised the petition online and on the streets outside the general post office in Dublin etc. Managing the campaign from the outset in May 2011, until its successful conclusion in June 2013.
- Did you meet any resistance in the campaign?
- Yes. Initially there were vociferous objections through the letters page of the press and argument was proffered that the defence of the state and loyalty to their oath was paramount. Some of these contributors who objected to any resolution to the pardons issue lacked an understanding of Irish military law. Irrespective of various moral force arguments being promulgated as to whether individuals joined UK forces or not Irish defence force personnel alleged to be deserters post war were subject to Irish military law and as such a court-martial had jurisdiction in which to try and punish any person for an offence against military law, committed by such person while subject to military law, and was the appropriate legal forum to adjudicate in each case. Dail Eireann/Irish Parliament cannot stand as judge, jury and executioner, is not a military court of law and no amount of side stepping or obfuscation of the English language on the part of these objectors could have changed that fact. The enactment of an Emergency Powers Order on the 8 August 1945 by the de Valera government to deal with the military offence of desertion was a cynical political exercise which deprived a military court of its jurisdiction, demonstrating an utter contempt for any rights that defence force personnel may have had pursuant to the Irish constitution. The issue has always been about political interference in dealing with the military offence of desertion which inevitably led to an injustice because the due process inherent in a court-martial and which is a distinct feature and judicial attribute of an Irish military court of law was not observed by the de Valera government post war. There were on street threats during the petition signing but they were only made by a handful of individuals. The majority of people were in support.
- What was the outcome?
- The introduction of the Irish Defence Forces (Second World War Amnesty and Immunity) Act (No 12) 2013 initiated by Minister for Defence Mr Allan Shatter TD on behalf of the Irish Government is an unprecedented and historically significant legislative act which exonerates members of the Irish defence forces who went AWOL (absent without leave) and joined UK or allied forces during world war two, and vindicates the campaign strategy.
- What were the attitudes towards the soldiers during World War II?
- There was a general anti-British view in Ireland and those that joined UK forces would have been viewed by many as traitors.
- What were the attitudes towards the soldiers after World War II?
- They would have been regarded as traitors. Survivors and their families post war would have kept a low profile and got on as best they could. Many had to emigrate back to the UK and other parts of the commonwealth as they could not get a job in post war Ireland because of the barring order.
- Have the attitudes of Irish citizens changed since the campaign?
- Yes. The campaign prompted a debate which contributed to a better understanding of the history of these men and their families and the conditions they had to undergo in post war Ireland.
- In your opinion, were the soldiers justified in joining the British Army?
- The legal issues as to the rights or responsibilities of defence force personnel who went absent without leave to join allied forces in the fight against the axis powers should have been adjudicated by the military courts and not by politicians. However desertion in any army is a serious offence and such offences are determined by the military courts/tribunals. During world war two, the threats to international peace presented by the Nazis and Japanese would suggest that a greater good was served by men joining UK or allied forces in the fight against fascism. Although these men went absent without leave to join in the fight they did not go absent to run away.
- In your opinion, was Ireland justified in its desire to remain neutral?
- Yes, absolutely. De Valera had no choice. However Irish neutrality was benevolent in support of the allied war effort.
- In your opinion, was the government justified in its treatment of these soldiers?
- No, it was not justified. There were other constitutional ways to deal with the issue. Irrespective of the emergency legislation that was introduced in 1939, those accused of desertion had a right in law to adduce evidence in their defence. The Emergency Powers Order introduced by the Irish Government in 1945 to dismiss and punish personnel was not an adjudication by military tribunal. In fact the post war Irish Government had for the sake of political expediency subverted the function of the military courts to deal with allegations of desertion which denied servicemen their constitutional right to due process in a military court.
- Is there anything else you feel is important for us to know about this topic?
- Please Note: In 1977 President Jimmy Carter, issued a broad amnesty to draft evaders and argued that their crimes were forgotten, not forgiven. This qualification made clear that the purpose of his amnesty was not to erase a criminal act, nor to condone or forgive it, but simply to facilitate political reconciliation. In contrast, the Irish Defence Forces (Second World War Amnesty and Immunity) Act (No 12) 2013 initiated by Minister for Defence Mr Allan Shatter TD on behalf of the Irish Government, is an unprecedented and historically significant legislative act which exonerates members of the Irish defence forces who went AWOL (absent without leave) and joined UK or allied forces during world war two, and at the same time provides immunity from prosecution for others. By excluding compensation the Act also alleviates any financial burden that might have been levied upon the state, and accompanied by an apology, comprehensively and unambiguously obliterates the imputation of guilt imposed by the introduction of Emergency Powers Order 362 on the 8th of August 1945. The Defence Forces (Second World War Amnesty and Immunity) Act (No 12) 2013 is an Amnesty and not a Pardon. A Pardon is the forgiveness of an offence, whereas the construct and effect of this amnesty and immunity legislation is to exculpate all concerned from allegations of desertion thereby removing the stigma of dishonour associated with being blacklisted. The Minister for Defence, Mr Allan Shatter TD, supported by his staff and members of Dail and Seanad Eireann, are to be congratulated for having the political courage and integrity in bringing the Amnesty and Immunity Act to a successful conclusion and is an occasion of historical significance. In the full knowledge that they have now been formally recognised and honoured as part of the collective remembrance of the island of Ireland the last of our old soldiers and their families can live out the rest of their lives with some semblance of honour restored.
Peter Mulvany B.C.L., HDip Arts Admin
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